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09-Mar-2001 04:00 PM |
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Rostyk |
Today at 15.00 pro-presidential militia forces in Ukraine brutally supressed peaceful demonstration, dedicated to commemoration of the birth of Taras Shevchenko - the greatest patriot and father of Ukrainian nation. The opposition was blocked by capital militia from access to the monument of T.Shevchenko. Such happened only several times throught the history of the country: in 1914 reactional and antiukrainian tzar regime; 1922 regime of military dictatorship; 1932 inhuman regime of Stalin; 1943 Nazi occupation of the country; 2001... Present conflict is the biggest since the open confrontation between the president and opposition has begun in the fall of 2000. [Brat 3: University of Pennsylvania I] |
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09-Mar-2001 10:14 PM |
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Ruslito |
WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN THAT FUCKING SHIT [Brat 3: University of Pennsylvania I] |
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09-Mar-2001 11:55 PM |
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Neo |
Rostyk prav... i paraleli pravilno provedenu... u nas (ukraincev) sechas est' vse shansu vernut'sya domoy - i zastat' tam fashizm...
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10-Mar-2001 12:22 AM |
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Mc |
Da, Ya bolshe chem uveren chto etot reply ne ponravitsya bolshenstvu lyudey portala. No vse taki - ya opirayus' na to chto mne pishut iz doma, i na to chto polovina moyey family rabotayut v milicii. Tak vot - vse eto gonivo, ne veryu nichemu. Mne is doma pishut chto eto chistoy vodi purga. A izvini Neo, no eta frasa "lyudi darili milicii cveti, a v otvet poluchali resinu" zvuchit esche huje chem reply rusa. A ya navernoe slishkom dolgo bil studentom, chto bi ponyat' chto student for free nichego delat' ne budet. Konechno est' te kto yavlyaetsya aktivistom - sam takoy, lyublyu trudnosti, no v meru. V meru ... Mikola P.S. Kak ya ustal ot etih gromkih slov, ot etih gromkih paraleley. Obijaytes' ili net no ya bi sam pere***l bi dubinkoy lyubogo vavlenisha kotoriy bi kinul v menya kamen'. [ This message was edited by: Mc on: 3-10-2001 01:12 ] [ This message was edited by: Mc on: 3-10-2001 01:18 ] [ This message was edited by: Mc on: 3-10-2001 01:21 ] [Brat 3: University of Pennsylvania I] |
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10-Mar-2001 12:39 AM |
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Neo |
Mikola,
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10-Mar-2001 02:39 AM |
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Mc |
Just want to say that you have logic, but I warned you that you will not like this message. And by the way, maybe I'm so stupid, but I don't belive any world of independent newspapers, that even don't know where Ukraine is!!! A na schet deneg... Da ya uje vse skasal... I love my country... And I really want to live there... and be the one who leads it in future... , but, the way some use to make changes now, will lead only to the war, but not to success... [Brat 3: University of Pennsylvania I] |
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10-Mar-2001 05:13 AM |
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Andrey (Ole Miss) |
Rebyata,
da perestan'te vy dumat', chto chto-to v Ukraine izmenitsya. Nasha strana prosto obrechena ostavat'sya tem bolotom, kotorym ona byla na protyazhenii stoletiy. I ne nado etogo natzionalisticheskogo breda (Neo ya ne o tebe konkretno). Nu dazhe yesli i uberut Kychmy ( v chyom ya kstati ochen' somnevayus', tak kak ne narod yego privyol, ne narody yego i ubirat'), chto izmenitsya? Nichego k chyortovoy babushke ne izmenitsya!!!!! Razruha kak vy pomnite ne v klozetah, a v golovah. A v golovah vashih (i moih kstati tozhe) garyachyo lyubimyh ukraintzev tol'ko zhelaniye chego-to pozhirneye urvat' ili komu-to chego-to nedodat'. Tak chto davayte smotret' na vopros shire; Kuchma - ne zloy rok Ukrainy, on prosto voploscheniye togo obschestva, kotoroye my sebe stroili i prodolzhayem stroit' s prisuschim nam natzionalisticheskim zadorom. Ya ne vmeshivalsya v vashi burnyye debaty po povodu ostavat'sya ili ne ostavat'sya zdes' posle etogo goda. Vashi mneniya bylo interesno pochitat' . No pover'te mne, ni gorstka studentov s naivnymi myslyami v golove i lyubov'yu k Rodine v serdtze, ni neskol'ko desyatkov tysyach demonstrantov na ulitzah bol'shih gorodov ne izmenyat glavnogo. A glavnoye, na moy vzglyad, zaklyuchayetsya v tom, chto Ukraina nasha lyubimaya kak byla tak i ostanetsya zavisimoy ot Rossii, Evropy, oligarhicheskih semey(kstati tozhe v bol'shey stepeni importnyh), korruptzii, vzyatochnichestva i bespoleznogo v svoyey slepote natzionalizma. Ozhidaya shkval negodovaniya ot natzional-patriotov, hochyu skazat', chto problema nastol'ko gluboka, chto v korotkih poslaniyah tipa etogo yeyo ne raskroyesh'. Tak chto ne zhdite otvetov na vashi kolkosti i obvineniya v nepatriotizme. Yesli kto-to zahochhet osporit' so vyskazannoye mneniye, vstretimsya v Maye v Washingtone. Vsem horoshego Spring Break u kogo on namechayetsya... [Brat 3: University of Pennsylvania I] |
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10-Mar-2001 06:22 AM |
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Mc |
Hi, guys, its me again. Sorry for given you incorrect information in topic "Fun". Just couple minutes ago I finished read articles on this site And prozrenie prishlo ko mne!!! Okazivaetsya, chto eto razvlekatel'niy site!!! I esli 1 minuta smeha increase life for 5 years togda ya budu jit' vechno...Pechal'no, no pravda. Lyudi, ne podumayte,chto ya bezchuvstvenniy, Gongadze, kak jurnalista ya zanl horosho po ego vistupleniyam na televidenii, i uvajayu ego za to chto on delal... No..., to chto ya prochital na pravda.com.ua .... - no comments. Mikola [Brat 3: University of Pennsylvania I] |
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10-Mar-2001 10:26 AM |
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Neo |
tak... po poryadku...
1) Ya ne nacionalist (ya tak dumayu shto kogda govorili pro nacionalistov podrazumeval tu menya).... ya govoryu na ruskom bolshe chem na ukrainskom... i vobche, starayus' ni v kakie kraynosti ne padat'.. 2) patriotom toje trudno ochen' menya nazvat'... sam sebya takovum ne schitayu... 3) Andrey, ya s toboy soglasen na 100% vsego shto tu napisal! i nikakogo negodovaniya but' ne mojet.... but wait! Tu prosto opisal situaciyu kotoraya sechas! A tut i govorit nechego... vse mu eto vidim.... i ya polnostyu soglasen shto narod imeet to pravitelstvo kotoroe zaslijivaet.... No ne ob etom rech! Sechas nado dumat' shto delat', kak izmenyat' shtoto.... a ne sidet' i prosto konstatirovat' faktu..... i govorit' shto nifiga ne izmenitsya ... eka bro! eto mu sami umeem! Koneshno ne izmenitsya s takim otnosheniem... i v pervuyu ochered' revolyuciya nujna ne na ulicah.... a v umah nashih lyudey.... vot v etom napravlenii ya schitayu nado rabotat' dlya dostijeniya uspeha.... a to shto sechas proishodit na ulicah - duk ya v etom viju rojdenie demokratii... rojdenie NEZAVISIMOY UKRAINU... i demokraticheskogo obchestva.... Mikola.... ya koneshno rad za tvoe zdorove... no shto j tu tam takogo smeshnogo nashel?????? Tu naverno v kurse shto Gongadze bul ubit imenno za etot site..... nehorosho...... nad mertvumi.... nad takim chelovekom... Andy [Brat 3: University of Pennsylvania I] |
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