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09-Feb-2001 03:31 PM |
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Commander |
Xorosho Yerkin, i Komsaid, ya vam racckazyvau vce kak bylo i po poryadky, prichem delau eto na rycckom, ibo inache Yerkin ne bydet chitat picmo a bydet procto icpravlyat moi oshibki...
Vot tyt poclednim vremenem poyavilac y nac devyshka v Delawerckom foryme - Angela (Drexel)my tyt c ney vmecte naxodimcya v Midwestern State Unniversity (Wichita Falls)...Eto prekracnyy Yniver i otlichnyy malucenkiy gorodk dlya takix kka ya kotorye xotyat ckoncentrirovatcay na ychebe ib odly amenya ochen vazhno polyhcit xoroshee obrazovanie - eto mne shans nayti raboty v Kieve i zhit kak chelovek a ne bydlo... Potomy to ya cebe tixonko ychilcya i zaraatyval na cvoy 4.0 GPA, za chto polychil "congritluations" ot toy zhe Margaret Stephenson... Ny vot ychilcya ya i po ctepenno yzhe dymal kak zhe mne nayti internship , prichem ya dazhe i ne dymal pro platnyy internship...DElo v tom chto kak yzhe Yerkin i Alinka znaut y menya major - finance, y aochen lublu cvoy "field of study" i potomy konechno ychgilcy aochen ceryzon i vce predidyshee gody i konechno zhe ocobenno etot , ved ctolko ckolko ya mogy polyhcit v etot god ya ne viychy za vce 5 v Ukraine, eto ponyatno...Pootmy to dlya mneya takoe vazhnoe znachenie imela praktika v banke, imenno potomy ya nchaal ickat internship togda , kogda nekotorye eshe ne proshli i community service...Ckazhy checno chto tak kak gorodok y nac tyt malucenkiy to cootvetctvenno ickat bylo tyazhelo i ya potratil na eto dobryx 1,5 mecyaca, nachinaya c konca Oktyabrya i do cerediny Dekabrya... Oboshel gde to bankov 7 navernoe v obshey clozhnocti, i pochti vezde polychla otlkax: to im ne nado yzhe ctydnetov, to voobshe ne xotyat c inoctrannymi ctydnetami dela imet...kooche vce yacno... Konechnno ya ne teryal nadezhdy i ctaralcya cdelat vce cho mozhno bylo... Nakonec za poltora mecyaca mne vrode ylybnylac ydacha, ya polyhcil vozmozhnoct i razreshenie presidenta banka Wels Fargo y nac v Wichita Falls (potomy chto eto bank po vcey Amerike imeet filialy)...TAk vot konechno kak i kahzdyy raz na intervies ya poctaralcya pridat cebe kka mozhno lcyhyy vid i poshel na eto interview...On dolgo menya clyshal i cprashival eshe bolshe, prihcem interecno covmeshal vorpocy po financam i bakovkckoy deyatelnocti c poctymi voprocami i pocle togo kak 3 chaca razgovora podoshli koncy on mne ckazal: kak daleko ty zhivesh ot cuda i ckolko exat??? YA otvetil chto zhivy ne tak daleko na campus i idti vcego kkaix to 30 minyt....Idti - on pocmotrel na menya ochen cvoeobrazno (kak vce Amerikancy na ludey bez mashiny)., da idti tverdo otvetil ya... Znachit tebya mozhno ne zhdat v dozhd ili ne pogody (cneg , ili tam eshe chto )?? POchemy zhe ckazal ya, - ved ya mogy doyti v odnoy odezhde i priyday pereodetcay v koctum i bydy imet takoy zhe vid kak i v colnechnyu pogody...No ved xolodno zh epo dozhdu cuda idti??? Nichego ne racctau , na to ya i c Ukraine byl moy otvet ....Chelovek , kotoryy v dozhd i cneg bydet idti za 30, 40 minyt kazhdyy den v moy bank yzhe zaclyzhivaet moego vnimaniya a ocobenno tot kto otlichno znaet teoiru financov i bankovckogo dela...ya tebya bery i ty na menya cdelal "great impression"....YA tebya beru i vot tolko odno yclovie - ty ne imeesh nichego protiv togo chto by vmecti becplatnogo internshipa my tebe predlozhili raboty, ved (on mcotrel dokymenty po ACCESL i "red" handbook) tebe zhe mozhno rabotat po cpecialnocti i eto zashitaut kak internship... Ok, togda my tebya nanimaem cherez "local" "Employing Agency" i kak tolko bydesh gotov prixodi , ya tebya zhdy, bydesh y nac financovym analitikom i bydesh analiziorvat coctayanie rynka i delat prognozy kak zhe dalshe banky vecti cvoi operacii a ya bydy tebe pomagat i vmecet bydem prinmat resheniya??? OK? I kogda ya yzhe ne pomnya cebya ot chactiya (rabotat v banke - eto byla moya mechta ) vixodil on ckazal :" A ty ne protiv ecli president banka tebe "give a ride " do "campus"..." Ny ya konechno racckryl rot, ved kto ya takoy chto by menya cam presidnet vez v cvoe rabochee vremya domoy....i konechno ya byl coglacen...Kogda on menya privez ya ego poblagodaril za vce i eshe ckazal v pridachy: y anac vac ochen nadecy chto vy mne pomozhete , dlya menya eto vazhno...Obyztelno ylcyshal ya v otvet...V tot den y menya bylo cmaoe xoroshee nactroenie za vec god...bolshe yzhe takogo ne bylo....Potom cherez nedelu mne pozvonili c Agenctva kotore menya nanimlano dlya banka i poprocili zapolnit dokymenty dlya nix...Ya prishel i cdelal ty kychy dokymentov chto nado dlya oformleniya tryooyctryctva v USA.....no poclednim byl moy SSN# i kartochka n katoroy kracnym i zhirnym napicano ***"Valid for work only with INS proper authorization" **** Vot tyt to vce i nachaloc, on i ctali zvonit MArgaret i dnya 2 tolko obyacnyali ppochemy zhe mne nyhen etot INS approval...potom potyanylic dni kogda y adolzhen byl zhdat na otvet MArgaret Stephenson...On napicala chot bydet rabiratcya cama c nimi...proshel mecyac i ya yzhe n emog dozhdatcya - ny kogda priydet eto razreshenie i cmogy porabotat....YA zvonil v ACCELS chyt li ni kazhdyy den i bolshinctvo clychaev MArgaret ne "bylo na mecte" a kogda ya ee zactvala to ona mne nezhnym takim golockom govorila chot by ya ychilcya i ne prezhival a oni vce reshat za menya...Potom mne International Advisor zapretila zvonit i ckazala chto eto ochen yzhe naglo ctolko zvonit ot nee...YA zhdal i vremya tyanyloc kka rezina... Potom nachalic kanikyly , vot tak v novy god ya poshel bez edinoy micli rpo to dadyt li mne voobshe i ecli dadyt to kogda eto razreshenie.... Komputery iy nac zakryli i telefonom tozhe ne mog...Poexal c rebyatami otdyxat v Luisinany i Floidy i na MIami-Beach - dorogo mne zh emen vce eto potom vilezlo...ved priexal pochti pyctoy ny tollko na knigi dnegi byli...I dymau ny kyplu knigi i potom zarabotay... Otkryli kompu i ya nachal opyat bombardirovat MArgaret Stephenson i kahzdyy raz ona mne otvechala tipa chto bymagi gotovy i nado tolko zavrat y ee pomoshnika a ona v otpycke to, chto nado perepicat i potom eshe mngo mngoo chepyxi....Kazhdy moy ragovor konchalacya kka vcegda vezhlivym "Sorry for bothering"..... I nakonec kogda yzhe v odin prekracnyy den ya polychil coobsheniya na telefone chto mne fakc iz Washigtona D.C. ot Margaret - dymal chto moi probelmy konchilic i xot prishloc pomyachatcya no eto nichego....ne zrya ved nakonec ect razreshneie... Ya zabral eti bymagi i ponec crazy dazhe ne moctrev ocobo v Agenctvo i.....oni cmeyalic nado mnoy gde to 20 minbyt ne menshe procot katauc co cmexy...tam byla ne forma- approval a procto naprocto obyknovennaya kopiya iz kkaogo to zakona gde podcheknyty nebrezhno markerom pynkty cootvetctvenno raboty...ety kpoiu ya zhadl 3 mecyaca kogda mog ee cdleat v office nashego INternational ADvisora za 5 minyt!!!! Malo togo agectvo zvonilo Margaret gde to raz 5 kak oni mn ckazali i podrobno obyaznycli chto nado bylo cdelay i ona proclal chsyh!!! Kak ya pozdno ponyual chto ona procto menya razigryvala i covcem ne cobiraetcya dazhe mne davat razreshneiya...Togda y anapical gnvnoe picmo v ACCELS i chty li ne matom ix tam vcex raznocil....i ona mne priclala otvet, chto konechno ona mne cdelaet cnicxozhdenie i xot ya ne imeu internshipa vce zhe dact mne ctipendiu (klanyauc za eot v nogi , ibo na chety octavlaoc $20 na kotorye ya i zhil cebe 1,5 mecyaca..) i ona cdelaet vce vozmozhnoe chto by mne poclat razreshenie.....Potom opyat pishet chto ona yzhe davno ego poclala i ono ne doslhlo po fakcy....(V amerike ne doxodit coobshenie po fakcy, y menya dazhe v Ukraine doxodit???) i potom opyat chto ne xvataet dokymentov i opyat i opyat i tak vot do ci por dlitcya.... koroche govorya mne za eto vremya zyhe 4 raza zvonil etot opresident i ya ponyal po razgovoru chto on ochen obidelcya, ibo takogo "coplyaka" vzyali na rabot ynba xoroshee mecto on dazhe ne pochtal nyzhnym priyti ne razy, xotya chro prixodit bez razresheniya... Vot potomy to ya do cix por be zinternshipa i yzhe ne bydet ibo ego nayti eto problema y nac tyt a vremeni net....Tak i rabotau ceycahc v ctolovke, dish washerom, clava Bogy chto ya ne bpouc tyaheloy raboty i checnym trydom zarabtyvay cvoi dollary... Vot takie vot dela a Margaret dazhe ecli i prishlet men eto razresheni to ya yzhe vce ravno ne cpocoben otnocitcya k ney lychem ibo yzhe ctolko nervov vymotala mne , chto yzhe dazhe gora zolota mne etogo vcego ne vernet... I cmaoe glavnoe: Pochemy crazy na ckazat chto ne xotimmy cho tby ty tam rabotal??? I v poclednem picme pishet "chto my navernoe ecli ne polychitcya c bankom (yavnio chto net) poprocim vac proyti communty service ( a ya cvoy community service doma ctroil na ctroyke...) Ny vot ya ee i pocilau teper daleko daleko i c ee internshipom i c ee community service i c ee cyper otnosheniem k ctydnetam... I eto pri tom chto mne ckazali, chto polychit razreshenie ot INS dlya takix kak ACCELS - pary minyt dela no nikak ne 3 mecyaca.... ---------------------------------------------------------- Vot i vce - do vctrechi i take care... Interecno a ACCELS mne kompenciryet nervy chto ya na nix potrail i ckoko zhadl a ona co mnoy igrala>>>?? [Brat 3: Delaware University I] |
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09-Feb-2001 04:16 PM |
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Daa.. Vot gady..
Mne internship otkazali tol'ko potomu chto ya zdes' do Maya tol'ko. U nas Anrew Golda advisor, no i on takoy zhe tip. "Esli ty ne nashel internship po major, idi v office rabotay" (u menya Environmental Engineering major, a v univere dazhe spetsial'nosti takoy net) A kakogo skazhite mne figa v office internship? Slysh' Kiril, oni shto dazhe besplatno ne razreshili rabotat'? Ne, nu nado zhe do chego doshli! A ved' v proshlom godu nashi zdes' do Iyulya rabotali.. I ne tol'ko u sebya v gorode a v drugih shtatah. A chto esli my vse vmeste na workshope skazhem im chtob oni nam dali vozmozhnost' proyti normal'ny internship? Kiril, ty byl u nas v UPenn1 forume? Esli net zaydi kak nibud', posmotri, mozhet svoi idei kakie nibud' predlozhish'? Bylo by klassno. A burzhuyi kak byli burzhuyi, tak i ostalis imi. [Brat 3: Delaware University I] |
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09-Feb-2001 05:29 PM |
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komsaid1 |
It's awful!!! I can't even find an appropriate word to describe that!They are just being jerks! Vot podlye!
Kirill, ya by na tvoem meste vse taki poshla v bank. Obyasnil by etomu presidentu kak obstoyat dela. Mozhet on by soglasilsya tebya vzyat' na prosto pltnyy internship do maya. A v mae ty vernulsya by domoy, sdelal by visu s pomoschyu togo zhe presidenta (esli u tebya est' offer for job, to ty mozhesh' perenesti svoi 2 years home residency requirement na potom), priekhat' obratno, douchitsya zdes' do kontsa, rabotat'. I vsego to tebe nado bylo pogovorit' s presidentom! Pover', esli by ty vse obyasnil etomu presidentu to on tebya ponyl by. Delo v tom chto ACTR eto governmental organissation i u nijh svoi interesy, a u presidenta banka svoi. I esli emu eto bylo by nado, to on by tebe pomog. U nego navernyaka gorazdo bol'she svyazey (i deneg) chto by eto sdelat'. ty mog by emu skazat' chto oni tebe ne dayut razreshenie potomu chto u nikh takoy policy i oni boyatsya chto esli oni sdelayut isklyuchenie tebe, to vse ostal'nye tozhe togo zhe zakhotyat, a oni ne mogut pozvolit' etogo vsem. Skazhi chto oni tak zhe boyatsya chto eto dast tebe vozmozhnost' tut ostatsya, chto protivorechit ikh policy (mnogie studenty tak sdelali, oni prosto otkazalis' ekhat' obratno, ya lichno znayu odnu). Obyasni chto oni tebe razreshili by rabotat' na etot bank v kachestve platnogo interna, no ne rabotnika, skazhi chto ty by sdelal tu zhe samuyu rabotu kak intern, kotoruyu ty by sdelal kak sluzhaschiy banka. God! This was such an awsome chance! And may be it's still not too late. Kirill, that's my advise to you. GO AND DO IT! You made an impression on the President of one of the most reliable Banks of the US, don't lose that chance! Go there, or call him! Talk to him, no matter what. I still think it's not too late, just explain him everything in details, don't let it pass you by. Pover', on tebya poymet, a esli i net, to tebe uzhe vse ravno nechego teryat'! Kirill, DO IT!!! Takoy shans byvaet raz v sto let, i daetsya on ne vsem. I don't even know who you are, but I can imagine how hard you've been working to achieve that. You deserve it. X-ray prav, mozhet nam stoit na etom workshop skazat' chtoby oni nam dali shans na normal'nyy internship. Mne oni tozhe otkazali v normal'nom univerovskom internshipe potomu chto esli ya v etom semestre uchus', to iternship nado vzyat' letom, a ACCELS nam tut razreshayut byt' tol'ko do maya. Ya pravda vzyala practiku i ACCELS mne ego zaschityvayut kak internship, i eto kak raz po moemu majoru, no eto on campus. A esli by ya vzayla normal'nyy department internship, to on by byl vo pervykh pltnyy, vo vtorykh v na kakom nibud' deystvitel'no popular radio ili TV station. Dumaya chto eto uzhe cherezchur! Oni kontroliruyut kazhdyy nash shag. Skol'ko vsego my nne mozhem delat' v normal'noy studentcheskoy zhizni tut tol'ko iz za togo chtonam ne razreshaet ACCELS! No nado chto by na workship eto mnenie razdelyali vse. Potomu chto v odinochku my nichegone sdelaem, a vmeste my deystvitelno sila. Chto plokho, eto to, chto v Washington my uzhe edem razdel'no, v zavisimosti ot togo u kogo kogda uroki zakanchivayutsya. Eto mezhdu prochim tozhe plokho. U menya uroki zakanchivayutsya 17, a 18 u menya bilet. Tak ya dolzhna gotovitsya k finals ili k otyezdu? Oni nam ne dali dazhe 1 dnya na podgotovku k otyezdu! I oni nam ne razreshayut tut ostatsya dazhe vsego na 1 lishnyuyu nedelyu, esli dazhe my soglasny sami platit' za zhilyo i edu. U menya tut neskol'ko druzey u kogo ya mogla by ostat'sya na nedel'ku posle ucheby, i oni mne predlozhili ostatsya. No esli my dazhe poedem po neskol'ko chelovek v ashington, esli vse budut eto govorit' (ne obyazatel'no chtob my vse tam byli vmeste, glavnoe chtob vse vmeste podderzhali etu ideyu), to mozhet v sleduyuschem godu u nikh budet luchshe na schet etogo, i puskay nas uzhe ne budet, zato komu to iz CIS stanet legche! Kirill, once again (izvini chto opyat' eto govoryu, ya prosto nikak ne mogu uspokoitsya i smiritsya s tem chto oni sdelali), poydi v etot bank, ili pozvoni presidentu banka, pogovori s nim. Net documentov? Vot tebe i prichina s nim pogovorit'. Go! Do it! Poymi eto kak prikaz, kak pros'bu, tol'ko poydi i pogovoi s nim. And, please keep me informed on this case, if you don't mind. I am really concerned about it. Best of Luck, Rukhshona [Brat 3: Delaware University I] |
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09-Feb-2001 07:15 PM |
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musliba |
roxy, ya yedu v washington 18 maya. i my obyazatel'no im ob etom skajem! vidish li, ya dumayu vse ponimayut shto v washingtone nam boyatsa nechego i samoye xudsheye shto oni mogut nam sdelat' - eto obidetsa i otpravit' nas domoi!  )) v maye ) poetomu lichno ya ne viju nikakoi razumnoi prichiny pochemu my im ne skajem vse shto my dumayem po etomu povodu.
i voobsche ya dumayu nam mnogo chego naidetsa skazat' accels. hotya ya znayu shto oni znayut namnogo bol'she chem nam inogda kajetsa i na nekotorye veschi prosto zakryvayut glaza (xotya na nekotorye net, i prichom ochen' jestoko). kirill, a ty obyazatel'no pogovori s bankom, tebe deistvitel'no teryat' bol'she nechego. UDACHI!!!!! GOOD LUCK!!! nadeyus' vstretimsya v kieve. masha musliba@yahoo.com [Brat 3: Delaware University I] |
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10-Feb-2001 12:39 AM |
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dornabella |
Hello, Kiril!
I started to work, and after 2 weeks I just sent them that form with all the signatures. I did not care too much about their approval, because they do not deserve so much attention from us, and it is nothing illegal in working. You do need their approval if you want to be paid for work. As I understood you do not care that much about being paid, so you just talk to the director of the bank to let you work without being paid. By the way, before receiving the stipend for February-March we had to give the schedule of spring exams and the airplane tickets to our International Studies Advisor. I am still wondering what are they up to... In case this means anything to you, know that you are not alone and you have a lot of friends that support you. Hope to hear good news from you soon! Best regards, Dorina [Brat 3: Delaware University I] |
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10-Feb-2001 02:55 AM |
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Neo |
nda... sho ya mogu skazat'... u menya bula ta je situaciya..... gde v etom zahudalom Starkville naydesh intersnhip po moemu major.... interantional business... eto echo pohleche finansov... tam hot' banki est'..
nu vot shto skaju: esli net internashipa/rabotu - create it yourself! Be your own boss! I worked out for me! [Brat 3: Delaware University I] |
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10-Feb-2001 03:43 AM |
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komsaid1 |
I think that the best way would be if the president accepted you to the job, but also filled in the form for the internship. That way you could send ACCELS their damn form, and not even let them know that you are working. A girl from Ukraine works here (well, she works on campus), and they don't even know that she works, she never wrote them about it. The less you ask them and the more independent you act, the less restrictions you get.
Good luck, Roxy [Brat 3: Delaware University I] |
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10-Feb-2001 07:03 PM |
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Commander |
Hey guys, thank you very much for your understanding of the situation and support.
But let me say you a few more things...You know i can't work without INS Approval (first approved by ACCELS) anyway, because that job is off campus...Nobody will let me work especially in a bank without those valid documents, because they don't care about your problems, they don't want to have troubles with state and local authorities owing to my invalid employment. Moreover, the president of the bank higly discourage me from trying to pass unpayed intership, because alomost all the banks due to their policies can't give you any access to customers without being in status of temporary employee...So you should work or no intership...Try to understand him too: why somebody have to sit with me and waste time with me, but when you work then you are doing practise by yourself...!! And i have a job in cafeteria now, well very tough job of dish-washer, but i am used to hard work so at least i am earning my bucks without "morochit" my poor head.... So, at least i have some money, and that's not bad, but you know: "Iz knyazi v gryazi" that's "pleasant"... Because when you achieve something and somebody prevents you to share your deserved results and awards then you might get crazy of all that staff, i am very disappointed and frustrated because of this internship and all those "spy games" of ACCELS. They take much more "care" of us than they should probably do.... ---------------------- Sincerely Kirill Zuykov [Brat 3: Delaware University I] |
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10-Feb-2001 07:12 PM |
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komsaid1 |
Kirill, he discouraged you from unpaid internship, what about paid internship? Khotya, mozhet oni internov vobsche ne khotyat. But anyways, you made an impression on the president, if you can't work their, at leat call him and explain your situation, don't let him think that you are just an irresponsible guy. Let him know of your situation, and if he can't help you, then as I already said, you don't have anything to lose now!
Roxy [Brat 3: Delaware University I] |
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