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13-Apr-2001 08:56 PM |
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musliba |
aria, neujeli otsutstvie very? naverno takogo ne byvaet ateizm eto ved' ne otsutstvie very sovsem, eto otsutstvie very v Boga (a-teizm), nu ty ponimaesh..
ved' est' veschi v kotorye ty verish. tem bolee, chto ty skazal, chto suschestvovanie Boga priznaesh. ne stoit otojdestvlyat' ego s cerkov'yu; cerkov' eto prosto put' k Nemu, no mojno idti i drugim putem, glavnoe, chtob ty doshel. vse ravno ved' v principe zakony odni na vsex, i nezavisimo verish li ty vnix, znaesh li ty ih, oni rabotayut nezavisimo ot tebya (k voprosu ob istine). ty je nichego ne mojesh sdelat' na zemle s zakonom prityajeniya, eto vse mojno proschitat' po formulam, esli ty eto znaesh, ili elementarno ne podbrasyvat' kamen' nad golovoi, znaya iz opyta shto on i upadet sootvetstvenno na tebya, a esli net opyta, to konechno mojesh ne slushat' umnyx lyudei, kotorym on uje svalilsya na golovu, a dobyt' etot opyt samostoyatel'no. vysshaya logika toje est', tol'ko rabotaet ona po drugomu nemnojko, i dlya tex kto eto ponimaet legche vse predugadat' "po formule", no esli ty ne znaesh formuly, to sootvetstvenno nado ili poverit' lyudyam, kotorye uje najili opyt ili dobyt' opyt samomu. glavnoe tol'ko otlichit' tot moment kogda ty opyta nabiraeshsya i ne povtoryat' eto.a escho esli uj uchitsa, to u professionalov, esli uj chitat', tak pervoistochnik. a pro duxovnyx lic eto ochen' bol'naya tema. ponimaesh, esli ty poidesh k ploxomu doktoru i on tebe escho xuje sdelaet ili prosto ne pomojet, to eto ne znachit chto medicina ne rabotaet, eto znachit chto doktor nedouchen. tak je v razvetvlennoi cerkovnoi sisteme obyazatel'no est' lyudi, kotorye prosto ne na svoem meste, no eto ne znachit chto tak doljno byt'. a krome togo nam, lyudyam nado obisnyat' vse s tochki zreniya chelovecheskoi logiki, potomu chto ya to uj tochno znayu, chto esli nachat' s "chakr s karmami" kak govorila moya ex-rmt, to tochno vse razbegutsa i daje slushat' ne budut  )) ya tochno sbegayu
v moyu jizn' On stol'ko raz zametno vmeshivalsya! v tvoyu naverno toje, mojet ty etogo ne zamechal?
vse, na segodnya ya bol'she ne mogu
lyublyu vas (u menya v 4-i raz vesna, zamuchilas' schitat' uje ))))teplo i solnyshko opyat'
vasha masha [Brat3: University of Pennsylvania II] |
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14-Apr-2001 07:58 PM |
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Nusferatum |
musliba(esli predpochitaesh' po nikam obshatsia,xm,o.k),latyni menia ne nado uchit) Prosto v dannom konkretnom sluchae ia imel vvidu sebia)U menia otsutstvie very Mashun'ka,tfu ty blin,toest' musliba, o zakonax gravitazcii..esli on i est' eto ne znachit chto ego nel'zia oboiti ) Naprimer v kosmose gravitazcii net) Zakon pritiazhenia est',a gravitazcii net No dazhe to chto zakon pritaizhenia ostaetsia(a gravitazcia vsego lish' odin iz ego aspektov),ne znachit chto on absoluten...kak govritsai v teorii otnositel'nosti:vse v etom mire otnositel'no)gyabsolutnye ob'ekty ne mogut sushestvovat' v nashei real'nostivot tak tokonechno ob'iasnenie na urovne 5 klassa no luchshe ia sam vrid li pomnu i smogu obiasnit'...Xm...xotelos' by utochnit' chto podrazumevalos' pod pervoistochnikom? I kto eti professionaly u kogo nuzhno uchitsia? A duxovnye lizca eto tochno bol'naia tema...kak vprochem i vsia zcerkov'... Bibliia voobshe zanimatel'naia knizhka ) u kogo est' vremia,pochitaite na dosuge...Tak vot...vsem my glia Nego-raby...a vse ostal'noe tol'ko prekryvaet etu gor'kuu pravdu...vspomnite molitvy,vspomnite obriady..."Rab bozhii Ivan,beresh li ty v zakonnye zheny rabu bozh'u Mariu?") nu i tak dalee...Xristianstvo iznachal'no bylo religiei rabov,drevne rimskix rabov,eto uzhe posle rimskie patrizcii uvideli kakaia udobnaia eto religia!Esli ty rab,znachit na to "volia Bozhia" ,sidi i ne rypaisia,protiv Boga ne popresh'! I sideli i ne rypalis'...ox,kak udobno!Musliba,a vot i naschet drugogo puti tozhe xristianstvo odnoznachno v svoix vysskazyvaniax:"Qui non est nobiscum,adversus nos est!"..priamo Stalinskii deviz!(dlia tex kto ne tak podkovan v latyni kak musliba ("Kto ne s nami,tot protiv nas")) Dlia vsex kto ispoveduet drugie religii odno mesto:AD! xm..naskol'ko ia pomnu u pravoslavnyx net chistilisha,xm...a u katolikov tuda skinuli eshe i vsex tex kto zhil do Xrista...Za chto?da prosto tak...iazychniki znaete li,che im v rau delat'? I gde zdes' svoboda vybora? A tvoi rassuzhdenia naschet "lublu ia vas vsex"...xm,Bulgakova nachitalas'? Ieshua GaNozcri pomnish'?Tak vot ,musliba, eto plagiat...vse eto bylo skazano do tebia,i naschet togo chto "ploxix ludei net"...ia schitau chto chelovek kotoryi tak utverzhdaet ili sviatoi(chto v tvoem sluchae vriad li,ty xoroshaia,no ne sviataia:-)) ili prosto malo ,izvenite za vyrazhenie,der'ma videl i nikogda po nastoiashemu ego zhizn' ne kidala Kak poetsia u Iron Maiden: "There are evil some of us, No matter what,no matter how..." Vse,zakanchivau svou messagu...i tak poluchilas' dovol'no zlobnaia...musliba,sorry esli chto ne tak... [Brat3: University of Pennsylvania II] |
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15-Apr-2001 04:47 PM |
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musliba |
no etu temu zakryvayu.
love, vasha masha [ This message was edited by: musliba on: 4-15-2001 00:59 ] [Brat3: University of Pennsylvania II] |
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16-Apr-2001 07:00 AM |
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X_Ray |
Oleg,
Odin mudry kitaets skazal, chto v polny sosud vody ne dobavish'. Esli u nas est' predubezhdeniya, to ih izmenit' mozhem tol'ko my sami, no etogo ne mnogie hotyat - komfort, baten'ka.. Esche pri Soyuze gruppe uchenyh dali zadanie izuchit' mehanizm genial'nosti. Oni prishli k vyvodu chto vse deti rozhdayutsa s zadatkami geniya, esli rodilis' zdorovymi. No sistema lyubogo chelovecheskogo obschestva lomaet rastuschuyu lichnost' s samogo rannego vozrasta. Semya, detsad, shkola, okruzhayushie.. Lyudi stroyat sebe pantsir' iz stereotipov chtoby zaschitit' sebya ot vneshnego mira. Etot pantsir' daet im komfort i oschuschenie bezopasnosti, no takzhe i ne daet videt' okruzhayushi mir, iskazhaya ego, i ne daet rasti. Nekotorym vezet i u nih hvataet sil perestroit' skorlupu na bOl'shuyu. Edinitsy lomayut ee i uchatsa letat'.. Mne bylo gor'ko osoznat' chto letat' mne vryad li suzhdenno. Dazhe esli otkazat'sa ot pantsirya, krylya otrastit' ne dadut. Kto pytalsa, tot znaet. Statyi ty nashel yarkie. Hotya bol'shinsvo znaet ob etom, a kto ne znaet - prosto ne hochet znat'. Hotya konechno na Chechnyu po-ahat' my gorazdy, zabyvaya chto eto lish' odin iz yavnyh primerovnashey povsednevnoy zhizni. To chto starushka v sosednem podyezde umiraet ot goloda, zabytaya rodnymi det'mi i vnukami, to chto maloletki ubivayut drug druga prosto tak, iz interesa, to chto muzhya izbivayut zhen do polusmerti nam kak to naplevat'. Takoe my vstrechaem kazhdy den' i eto esche menee "nepriyatnye" sluchai. Konechno udobno svalit' vse na Boga. Vot On takoy nehoroshiy, sozdal nas i muchaet, net by vseh v ray, raz i vse schastlivy! Hotya zachem nam ray? Pust' zapretit vse voiny, nasilie, zlo i ostavit nas v pokoe! To est', "pust' On izbavit nas ot otvetstvennosti vybirat' mezhdu zlom i dobrom". Zabyvaem chto ogranichenie otvetstvennosti est' ogranichenie svobody. Da i chelovek sam vybral takoy put'. Esli ty chital Bibliyu, to dolzhen byl zametit' chto lyudi sami otvernulis' ot Boga, no On ne istrebil ih za eto, hotya po spravedlivosti sledovalo by. Otkuda poyavilis' evrey? "POVERIL Avraam Bogu, i eto vmenilos' emu v pravednost'". Pochemu ne: "Sdelal Avraam mnogo horoshih del, i eto vmenilos' emu.."? Da potomu chto greh, t.e. samovolie, est' smert', a za smert' nado platit' smertyu, togo trebuet spravedlivost'. Dlya etogo i Iisus prishel na Zemlyu, zaplatit' svoey smertyu za nashi grehi, chtoby cherez veru spaslis' ot spravedlivosti. Ved' skol'ko verevochke ne vit'sa, a zaplatit' pridetsa. A seychas On ne nakazyvaet tol'ko chtoby vse imeli shans, ved' "vse otvernulis i ne ischut", "vse sogreshili". Pochemu Iisus? Tol'ko Bog mozhet zaplatit' za vse grehi chelovechestva na protyazhenii vsego vremeni. Chelovek dazhe za svoi zaplatit' ne sposoben. Govorish' On rabstva trebuet? A kto seychas svoboden? Vse my raby chego-to. Kto-to svoih privychek i zhelaniy, kto-to illuziy, kto-to okruzhayushih ego lyudey. A to chto byt' rabom Bogu, tak esli eto prineset istinnuyu svobodu i schastye, to pochemu net? Ved' esli Otets zapreschaet malen'komu rebenku trogat' chaynik s kipyatkom, to eto potomu chto on lyubit i ne hochet chtoby rebenok oprokinul na sebya kipyatok. Ya tozhe somnevalsa v Boge, poka ne osoznal chto mne nechego teryat' v etom mire. Vse chto u menya est' mozhno otobrat' v lyuboy moment. Den'gi, druzya, rodnye, zhizn', vse eto ya mogu poteryat' v lyuboy moment i ne v moih silah chto-to izmenit'. Togda ya obratilsa k Iisusu, i On izmenil moyu zhizn' i dal to chego ya tak vsegda iskal - SVOBODU. On nauchil menya letat'. Nischie duhom i raby eto te kto osoznal eto. Bogatyh duhom i svobodnyh bez Boga ne bylo i net. Esli hochesh' pozhertvovat' komfortom i illuziyami vzamen na svobodu, skazhi eto Bogu v svoem serdtse.Ne pro sebya, a imenno v serdtse. I ischi. Naydesh' obyazatel'no! [Brat3: University of Pennsylvania II] |
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16-Apr-2001 07:58 AM |
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Neo |
Oleg,
ya predpolagayu (tolko prepolagayu) shto mu s toboy v kakoyto mere pohoji v etom plane (religiya etc...) potomushto mu s toboy slushaem Ariyu i po vsey vidimosti ee odinakovo vosprinimaem... nekotoroe vremya nazad ya bul tochno takje kak i tu... oficialno Christian... a na samom dele chert ego znaet kto.. a hotelos' kemto but'... Bible.. Koran.. Bhavatgita... Nicshe.. Spenser... Paskal'.. Freud... Remark.. Dreiser.. London.. Kino... Ariya.. Akvarium.. Alisa... Ozzy... just to mention.... vse eto v svoe vremya na menya vozdeystvovavlo.... i religiyu svoyu ya nashel... kakuyu? nevajno... though officialy I'm an Orthodox Christian... but I ne schitau sebya takim... mne kajetsya ya znyu vo shto tu verish... Andy [Brat3: University of Pennsylvania II] |
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16-Apr-2001 08:13 AM |
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Tarasishe |
I snova s pustogo v porozhne.
Vopros: kak dumayete otkudago eti stroki??? A??? Net variantov? Nu vchitaytesa zhe!!! 1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked. 2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them. 3. When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there. 4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy. 5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal. 6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved. 7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained. 8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself. 9. Do not harm little children. 10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food. 11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him Predlozheniye: a davayte vse Satane worship??? U mena takoye chuvstvo chto on nam vsem pomozhet. Mezhdu prochim teoriya satanizma bolee gumanna chem Xrestiyanstvo. I eto fact. Check this out: http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html A vy tuta pro vechnost ETC, ehh, razgovorchiki ponimayesh li. Taras [Brat3: University of Pennsylvania II] |
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16-Apr-2001 06:02 PM |
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aria1100 |
Smotru ia na eto vse i dumau...bluzhdaem my vse v potmkax i kazhdyi verit vo chto xochet...i skoree vsego net odnoznachnogo otveta...kak voobshe net nichego odnoznachnogo...xm...pochti poluchilos' kak u Ekliziasta,zaria Erusalimskogo: Sueta suet i vse sueta... Vse tomlenie duxa i lovlia vetra... Rod prixodit i rod uxodit, Lish' zemlia prebyvaet voveki... I net pod solnzcem nichego novogo, Chego by ne bylo v vekax do etogo... Sueta suet i vse sueta... Vse techet,vse meniaetsia A Bibliu ia chital ne men'she 5 raz...a Ekliziasta i togo chashe...po etomu pomnu pochti naizust' mnogoe...Vse chto vyshe ne po poriadku...prosto naibolee ponravivsheisia mne strochki... Neo ) xotel by ia sam znat' vo chto ia veru...nu nichego...vse techet,vse meniaetsia...X_Ray,v tom to i prikol,chto ia kak ateist(ne veriashii v Boga)ne nego niche ne svalivau...glupo svalivat' na to vo chto ne verish' i chego net...no kak chelovek dopuskaushii ego sushestvovanie..ia raszcenivau ego bezdeistvie kak prestuplenie...est' takaia stat'ia...prestuplenie deistviem ili bezdeistviem...eto kak raz tot sluchai... Ladno...vse ravno eto vse bestolku...Kazhdyi verit vo chto xochet poverit'...i zdes' nel'zia rassuzhdat' o tom ch'i illuzii bolee pravil'nye...X_Ray,pomnish' ka v Biblii? Ne sudite i da nesudimy budete... Est' takaia pesnai u Arii...nazyvaetsia "Volonter"...shas slova napishu: Он рубил, поджигал и бил в упор Волонтер темных дел и чужих афер Он копил, собирал на старость лет Он забыл, но его не забыли, нет Каждый сам, каждый сам за все, Каждый сам отвечает там Он просил, умолял, глядел на нас, Говорил, что не знал, что был приказ Он дрожал, он слезы сдержать не мог Но был суд, приговор суров и строг Даже легкое движенье видел чей-то глаз, Чьи-то уши самый тайный слышали рассказ И когда настанет время платы по счетам Покаянье не поможет вам Нет покоя тем кто делал зло Этим людям так не повезло Нет покоя тем кто потакал, Тем кто знал и все таки молчал. Tak vot...kazhdyi sam otvetit tam...a che dal'she...xm,pozhivem uvidim... P.S.Tarasishe,Satanizm-dlia malen'kix detei,skazki chto by im spalos' luchshe...xm,kstatii v sleduushi ras napishu tekst "Antixrista"...vsmysle copy and paste sdelau )vsem udachi v poiskax...niche my ne znaem i niche my ne nashli...mozhet i skat' to nechegoWho knows...[Brat3: University of Pennsylvania II] |
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16-Apr-2001 09:51 PM |
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Neo |
kak ni stranno no ya tut soglasen s Tarasom...
iz pustogo v porojnee.... exactly... plus sataninstvo ne samaya hudhsya ideya.. v meru.. doljen skazat' shto ya i sechas rukovojus' nektorumi ih pincipami... da i ne toko ya... a vobche... shto ya vam skaju.... Aria v pervuyu ochered' tebe... tu nas tut zasupal tekstami pesen... a ya tebe napomnyu vsego lish paru strochek: Kizn' idet gdeto za spinoyu.. a tu v plenu u pustotu... O kak jal' no vsemu vinoy MECHTU, MECHTU, MECHTU.... Aria, Nurbek & Co... v pervuyu ochered vas kasaetsya... ya ne hochu shtob eti stroki buli pro vas... hvatit tam sebe nakruchivat'... life is so fuc-king so short! a vobche nado ponit' odno.. polyaki govoryat "co zanadto to ne zdravo!" ne nado peregibat' palku.. Andy [Brat3: University of Pennsylvania II] |
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